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Mains 2023 - In or out?

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Nice conversations going on here : My views on some points.


1 When neyawn said ," good quality of people get selected every year " ,good certainly mean better .Better means,better in upsc main examination.Better on that day. Just like Travis head on that world Cup final .

Better not means : .Not more intelligent.Not more wise .Not more hardworking.Not more morally good(some criminal minded people clear this exam ). 

Reservation is also a great factor. I never Got a interview call . But my marks are similar in mains to a IPS officer ,who behave like God in many podiums .So for general category candidates the battle is more cruel .

2 This exam is a individual journey. So no amount of coaching and mentorship is going to  help beyond a limit. So coaching their advices,their knowledge about the process helps but should always be taken with a pinch of salt. No body is going to tell you,how to motivate yourself when it's already the ethics paper ,your hands are paining and all case study answer appear similar . 

Also,your strength and weakness balance is also individual. Example a Sikh guy who have poor handwriting but ability to write many substantial points ,getting some top 50 ranks


3.And calling it a humanity paper that needs extra ideas is foolishly simplistic for GS .Humanity is more than generating points(no language );in pro and cons . Mugging and writing govt schemes and data ,also that micro diagrams , diagrams ,flow chart. It is something tough though  masterable with lot of hardwork .But ,to call people who not qualify,short of ideas is just exploiting vulnerabilities . Other points:

a)In humanity you are given 5 years to write a phd thesis and also decent time for semester exams . Also Not 7 mins for a 10 marker. 

b )In humanity you have a ideological point of view . A thought process aligned to your world views and values . Not balance of points ( 5 pros and cons of marital rape law and way forward) . 

4 ) You have to get marks from a 50+ guy. Whose intent may be is to stay ,party and socialize in Ashoka hotel at night . So it's just about not boring him more during day time (copy checking is so boring man ,even 800 rs per 2 hour seems to be a bad job ). Just APPEARING knowledgeable and pleasant on his /her eyes will make you Cabinet secretary one day .

5 ) Coachings and mentorship have a role to play .But not as it is projected . It's buisness .Also  In most of the cases coaching people are those who are not able to exit the process despite not qualifying it . It's their psychological necessity to think that it is doable and teachable . Cognitive dissonance have a role to play here . 

Life is as absurd as that . It's gone be more absurd either you qualify or not . If you have attempt left ,just try to deal with the controllable .Do it for the hug you will get from your mother(or/and  other loved ones ) after doing that . If you don't, earn some money ,take her to a pilgrimage from your money,She(they) will be more than happy.




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@Neyawn l am not as gullible as the people you attract to your coaching shop through brain-washing advertisements. You are not a humanities graduate. I am. I have written more mains and faced more interviews than you. Subjective papers are prepared best when people keep exploring ideas and issues on their own.l bet you cant get more marks in Ethics paper in real exam than the people you are teaching. Only silver line is the govt has started cracking whip on coaching shops and regulating misleading advertisements, which are far more harmful than ghutka advertisements.


Though I'm newbie in this UPSC circle,  but having been a PLAYER for more than 10 years under 4 different coaches...I'd say only this,


If you judge a coach (read MENTOR) by the no of matches he played(read individual performance), there's nothing much left to say... :)


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Always disheartening to see people being dejected after Mains result. This is also because I believe some of you might be one of the brightest people in the country

I am just saying this from my own experiences: The perspective that you gain from this preparation will eventually improve your quality of life. Most of you must have risen above petty gossips and transformed into leaders without even realising it. The ability to think one notch higher than others, emotional resilience & massive perseverance are something that will help you EVERYWHERE. 

Thoda relax karna and just ask yourself whether you want to continue or not. Those who have the PRIVILEGE (read : money & support of parents) and find meaning & excitement in this job, to ek baar dubara dene ka try kar sakte hai. 

To those who have already decided to attempt again,I have just one suggestion(I am no expert but ek baar mere kehne se karke dekh lo) : Open Ishita's (Rank 1) copy, write the answers to the same questions in a timed format and then compare. Just do this once and just be honest with yourself. If you feel your answers are at par with the last written copies of Ishita and Shruti, BLAME THE EXAM. Be proud of your effort and exit the cycle if you want with your head high. 

For others who feel a considerable gap, you will know automatically what needs to be done. 

Don’t depend on Evaluators, they are absolutely useless. Mind it, I am not degrading coaching mentors but evaluators who check your copy. They don’t have the ability or competence to appreciate beautiful ideas which a UPSC professor would definitely do. I have zero sympathies for evaluators. The coaching industry is paying them unnecessarily. They don’t add ANY value especially for someone who has already written 1-2 mains. You guys need a decent teacher or mentor to look at your copies. 

Another thing, notice the flow in Ishita & Shruti’s copies. I have been checking some copies and sadly due to poor socio economic background, some of the students RATTOFY the entire sentences. The issue with this is poor english and sentence formation. This sadly also takes away the ability to frame answers in alignment with the demand of the question especially in dynamic questions that require on the spot thinking & writing. 

A lot of people might not say this but your writing skills do make a massive impact especially in an optional like PSIR and essay. Two of my friends: Ishita and Apala had wonderful writing skills. I mean not only in the exam but they WRITE wonderful POEMS.

Now, I am not saying that you need to develop the same poetic skills but we must at least cultivate the ability to communicate effectively. Just compare your copies and ask yourself whether you’ll give the same marks to her and to the answers that you will write. 

Also these skills are hard to come. They take time. To abhi kar lo invest. I got 99 in essay in 2022 attempt. It became the sole reason that I didn’t get the interview call last year. 

Also, I am naming Ishita because she is my close friend and she has the same optional as me and I know how she thinks. You can chose a similar topper with your background but be careful as I am yet to find anyone as wonderful as her except Ms Shruti Sharma. Both of them are GOLDEN GIRLS 

I don’t believe in fake optimism. I am a realist. Nothing in this small life is worth suffering. Agar tumhara mann hai suffer karna ka to hi suffer karo. If you’re not excited or passionate about this UNCERTAIN exam, you can do great in other fields anyway. Go for it ! 

Lastly, I want to share a quote by Soren Kierkegaard that has now become my guiding star ( I hope you’ll appreciate it) : 


“Marry, and you will regret it; don’t marry, you will also regret it; marry or don’t marry, you will regret it either way. Laugh at the world’s foolishness, you will regret it; weep over it, you will regret that too; laugh at the world’s foolishness or weep over it, you will regret both. Believe a woman, you will regret it; believe her not, you will also regret it… Hang yourself, you will regret it; do not hang yourself, and you will regret that too; hang yourself or don’t hang yourself, you’ll regret it either way; whether you hang yourself or do not hang yourself, you will regret both” 


Also I will have to give some life updates on the people who failed the Mains 2022 with me (Motive is only to uplift as I am a Mains failure myself, ignore if you’re NOT interested) : 

I skipped the 2023 to finish my law in peace which I thoroughly enjoy. In the end the goal is to make a positive impact on the lives of others and law is an excellent way to do that. It has also been a delight to teach so many people in the past year. I may or may not give the exam again. 

Another friend of mine who failed in Mains last year scored a whopping 760 in GMAT. He will leave NABARD to join ISB. 

And another friend of mine who failed 4 mains consecutively finally made it to interview this year in his 5th attempt. 

So life has something for each one of us. But to those who have given more than 3 attempts and don’t have Privileges of birth, just avoid giving attempts mindlessly, please have a backup. Just think & reflect a little and never lose the self belief. 

Wishing you all success, mental, physical and emotional ❤️

P.P.S: Apologies for any typos. I am writing this quickly only for those who have faced a temporary setback in life. I am not a successful person but I believe the above can help you make a better decision. 




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Always disheartening to see people being dejected after Mains result. This is also because I believe some of you might be one of the brightest people in the country

I am just saying this from my own experiences: The perspective that you gain from this preparation will eventually improve your quality of life. Most of you must have risen above petty gossips and transformed into leaders without even realising it. The ability to think one notch higher than others, emotional resilience & massive perseverance are something that will help you EVERYWHERE. 

Thoda relax karna and just ask yourself whether you want to continue or not. Those who have the PRIVILEGE (read : money & support of parents) and find meaning & excitement in this job, to ek baar dubara dene ka try kar sakte hai. 

To those who have already decided to attempt again,I have just one suggestion(I am no expert but ek baar mere kehne se karke dekh lo) : Open Ishita's (Rank 1) copy, write the answers to the same questions in a timed format and then compare. Just do this once and just be honest with yourself. If you feel your answers are at par with the last written copies of Ishita and Shruti, BLAME THE EXAM. Be proud of your effort and exit the cycle if you want with your head high. 

For others who feel a considerable gap, you will know automatically what needs to be done. 

Don’t depend on Evaluators, they are absolutely useless. Mind it, I am not degrading coaching mentors but evaluators who check your copy. They don’t have the ability or competence to appreciate beautiful ideas which a UPSC professor would definitely do. I have zero sympathies for evaluators. The coaching industry is paying them unnecessarily. They don’t add ANY value especially for someone who has already written 1-2 mains. You guys need a decent teacher or mentor to look at your copies. 

Another thing, notice the flow in Ishita & Shruti’s copies. I have been checking some copies and sadly due to poor socio economic background, some of the students RATTOFY the entire sentences. The issue with this is poor english and sentence formation. This sadly also takes away the ability to frame answers in alignment with the demand of the question especially in dynamic questions that require on the spot thinking & writing. 

A lot of people might not say this but your writing skills do make a massive impact especially in an optional like PSIR and essay. Two of my friends: Ishita and Apala had wonderful writing skills. I mean not only in the exam but they WRITE wonderful POEMS.

Now, I am not saying that you need to develop the same poetic skills but we must at least cultivate the ability to communicate effectively. Just compare your copies and ask yourself whether you’ll give the same marks to her and to the answers that you will write. 

Also these skills are hard to come. They take time. To abhi kar lo invest. I got 99 in essay in 2022 attempt. It became the sole reason that I didn’t get the interview call last year. 

Also, I am naming Ishita because she is my close friend and she has the same optional as me and I know how she thinks. You can chose a similar topper with your background but be careful as I am yet to find anyone as wonderful as her except Ms Shruti Sharma. Both of them are GOLDEN GIRLS 

I don’t believe in fake optimism. I am a realist. Nothing in this small life is worth suffering. Agar tumhara mann hai suffer karna ka to hi suffer karo. If you’re not excited or passionate about this UNCERTAIN exam, you can do great in other fields anyway. Go for it ! 

Lastly, I want to share a quote by Soren Kierkegaard that has now become become my guiding star ( I hope you’ll appreciate it) : 


“Marry, and you will regret it; don’t marry, you will also regret it; marry or don’t marry, you will regret it either way. Laugh at the world’s foolishness, you will regret it; weep over it, you will regret that too; laugh at the world’s foolishness or weep over it, you will regret both. Believe a woman, you will regret it; believe her not, you will also regret it… Hang yourself, you will regret it; do not hang yourself, and you will regret that too; hang yourself or don’t hang yourself, you’ll regret it either way; whether you hang yourself or do not hang yourself, you will regret both” 


Also I will have to give some life updates on the people who failed the Mains 2022 with me (Motive is only to uplift as I am a Mains failure myself, ignore if you’re NOT interested) : 

I skipped the 2023 to finish my law in peace which I thoroughly enjoy. In the end the goal is to make a positive impact on the lives of others and law is an excellent way to do that. It has also been a delight to teach so many people in the past year. I may or may not give the exam again. 

Another friend of mine who failed in Mains last year scored a whopping 760 in GMAT. He will leave NABARD to join ISB. 

And another friend of mine who failed 4 mains consecutively finally made it to interview this year in his 5th attempt. 

So life has something for each one of us. But to those who have given more than 3 attempts and don’t have Privileges of birth, just avoid giving attempts mindlessly, please have a backup. Just think & reflect a little and never lose the self belief. 

Wishing you all success, mental, physical and emotional ❤️

P.P.S: Apologies for any typos. I am writing this quickly only for those who have faced a temporary setback in life. I am not a successful person but I believe the above can help you make a better decision. 




GG making grand entry on the community, do whatever and you regret it true af.....sir ab to milne ka appointment dedo XD

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Tatasaid

Always disheartening to see people being dejected after Mains result. This is also because I believe some of you might be one of the brightest people in the country

I am just saying this from my own experiences: The perspective that you gain from this preparation will eventually improve your quality of life. Most of you must have risen above petty gossips and transformed into leaders without even realising it. The ability to think one notch higher than others, emotional resilience & massive perseverance are something that will help you EVERYWHERE. 

Thoda relax karna and just ask yourself whether you want to continue or not. Those who have the PRIVILEGE (read : money & support of parents) and find meaning & excitement in this job, to ek baar dubara dene ka try kar sakte hai. 

To those who have already decided to attempt again,I have just one suggestion(I am no expert but ek baar mere kehne se karke dekh lo) : Open Ishita's (Rank 1) copy, write the answers to the same questions in a timed format and then compare. Just do this once and just be honest with yourself. If you feel your answers are at par with the last written copies of Ishita and Shruti, BLAME THE EXAM. Be proud of your effort and exit the cycle if you want with your head high. 

For others who feel a considerable gap, you will know automatically what needs to be done. 

Don’t depend on Evaluators, they are absolutely useless. Mind it, I am not degrading coaching mentors but evaluators who check your copy. They don’t have the ability or competence to appreciate beautiful ideas which a UPSC professor would definitely do. I have zero sympathies for evaluators. The coaching industry is paying them unnecessarily. They don’t add ANY value especially for someone who has already written 1-2 mains. You guys need a decent teacher or mentor to look at your copies. 

Another thing, notice the flow in Ishita & Shruti’s copies. I have been checking some copies and sadly due to poor socio economic background, some of the students RATTOFY the entire sentences. The issue with this is poor english and sentence formation. This sadly also takes away the ability to frame answers in alignment with the demand of the question especially in dynamic questions that require on the spot thinking & writing. 

A lot of people might not say this but your writing skills do make a massive impact especially in an optional like PSIR and essay. Two of my friends: Ishita and Apala had wonderful writing skills. I mean not only in the exam but they WRITE wonderful POEMS.

Now, I am not saying that you need to develop the same poetic skills but we must at least cultivate the ability to communicate effectively. Just compare your copies and ask yourself whether you’ll give the same marks to her and to the answers that you will write. 

Also these skills are hard to come. They take time. To abhi kar lo invest. I got 99 in essay in 2022 attempt. It became the sole reason that I didn’t get the interview call last year. 

Also, I am naming Ishita because she is my close friend and she has the same optional as me and I know how she thinks. You can chose a similar topper with your background but be careful as I am yet to find anyone as wonderful as her except Ms Shruti Sharma. Both of them are GOLDEN GIRLS 

I don’t believe in fake optimism. I am a realist. Nothing in this small life is worth suffering. Agar tumhara mann hai suffer karna ka to hi suffer karo. If you’re not excited or passionate about this UNCERTAIN exam, you can do great in other fields anyway. Go for it ! 

Lastly, I want to share a quote by Soren Kierkegaard that has now become become my guiding star ( I hope you’ll appreciate it) : 


“Marry, and you will regret it; don’t marry, you will also regret it; marry or don’t marry, you will regret it either way. Laugh at the world’s foolishness, you will regret it; weep over it, you will regret that too; laugh at the world’s foolishness or weep over it, you will regret both. Believe a woman, you will regret it; believe her not, you will also regret it… Hang yourself, you will regret it; do not hang yourself, and you will regret that too; hang yourself or don’t hang yourself, you’ll regret it either way; whether you hang yourself or do not hang yourself, you will regret both” 


Also I will have to give some life updates on the people who failed the Mains 2022 with me (Motive is only to uplift as I am a Mains failure myself, ignore if you’re NOT interested) : 

I skipped the 2023 to finish my law in peace which I thoroughly enjoy. In the end the goal is to make a positive impact on the lives of others and law is an excellent way to do that. It has also been a delight to teach so many people in the past year. I may or may not give the exam again. 

Another friend of mine who failed in Mains last year scored a whopping 760 in GMAT. He will leave NABARD to join ISB. 

And another friend of mine who failed 4 mains consecutively finally made it to interview this year in his 5th attempt. 

So life has something for each one of us. But to those who have given more than 3 attempts and don’t have Privileges of birth, just avoid giving attempts mindlessly, please have a backup. Just think & reflect a little and never lose the self belief. 

Wishing you all success, mental, physical and emotional ❤️

P.P.S: Apologies for any typos. I am writing this quickly only for those who have faced a temporary setback in life. I am not a successful person but I believe the above can help you make a better decision. 




GG making grand entry on the community, do whatever and you regret it true af.....sir ab to milne ka appointment dedo XD

Haha bhai, Apologies for both the instances. I am really embarrassed I couldn't see you. Waiting for the virtual meet though :) 

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abc123said

@Neyawn l am not as gullible as the people you attract to your coaching shop through brain-washing advertisements. You are not a humanities graduate. I am. I have written more mains and faced more interviews than you. Subjective papers are prepared best when people keep exploring ideas and issues on their own.l bet you cant get more marks in Ethics paper in real exam than the people you are teaching. Only silver line is the govt has started cracking whip on coaching shops and regulating misleading advertisements, which are far more harmful than ghutka advertisements.


 I let this forum collapse few years ago, because of some people whose views were simply misplaced and wrong. That time, I thought, I must walk out of this place, and let this place collapse.  So I went through your profile and saw you have not even sat for a single open test of forum, not even an interview guidance session - none of the free stuff, none of the paid courses. Now that is fishy because then that means (1) you have really not done any forum free or paid programs (2) you maintain a separate account for doing courses and spreading rant (3) you may not have really gotten in the exam system. I have never seen any interview appeared student have the views that you have.

All the choices above are problematic and point out to a misinformation accounts - which are not relevant.

I decided to write this 6AM post because the last time, read 2016 such profile monopolised forum, most meaningful left public conversation, and shifted to private.. This should not happen.

I also decided to write this because there is a generation of ruined aspirants - ruined not becuase they did not clear the upsc - but ruined because they have appeared for civils but have not gotten the academic rigour that comes with 2 -3 mains and interview attempts - even if you have not cleared the final exam - and it is then when their career are ruined. I will explain this sometime later.

When you are writing what you are writing, you have no idea of the exam, or you have not gotten into the exam nitty -gritties - but you are hearing only parts of what you want to hate hearing from any sessions that i may have taken.

I have never seen any selected candidate ( with minuscule exception+ ) who do not send their siblings to a coaching class to make notes, if not for guidance. Forum's students are now in good positions across the country and they send their senior's children to study at forum - which they would not do - if they felt things could get screwed "because" of forum - as they have jobs to keep.

I am not talking about other coachings - and forum has its own flaws - and we work to plug them every year - but i have met a few hundred, if not a few thousand people from the sessions i have been taking and the blogs i have been writing for 11 years now. 

And now you have motivated me to take another one.

Also, barring a total of 5 people in 10 years - I have not met a single topper, a single teacher, who has not sent his sibling, relative to take proper classes. When forum started, it was neither a free-education platform, neither a anti-coaching platform. The discussion here was on which coaching to choose for which subject, whihc things can be done on one's own, and make an informed choice - not to look like a Messiah. That was because from the very beginning, I was clear that whatever be the case, platform remains relevant if there is good selection from among forum members - coaching or no coaching. 

When one does not have faith in a program he is enrolled in, what really happens is that he will not write a test or do a class - and that does not work out for the candidate's success. So the people who have done a certain course, do not extract full benefits out of it, not because it was not good - or not even to the extent that it was good, but because they lacked conviction whiled doing it - thanks to disinformation on the internet.

Also different people have different learning curves and different starting points - we are not all the same - and each of us have their own journey.


I am no knight. Do not call me Sir

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Some of you may not agree to my views, it has nothing to do with "business" or whatever simplistic understanding you have of life. There are people who do things because they love doing it.

I have observed that while earlier, I would make contribution on public platforms, slowly I have seen changes in my own personality that I am disinclined to say anything publicly, and only say things on a private platform - or to people who have been referred to by people whom I know - and what I feel is a small minority that corners benefits of a good advice. 

Also, as for me, I am a hybrid. Werewolf+ Vampire, if you know what I mean ;-)

I have a degree in engineering as well as a Masters from TISS ( not distance). I should be better equipped to understand the demands of them both than someone who only has done one of these things.


I am no knight. Do not call me Sir

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Neyawnsaid

Some of you may not agree to my views, it has nothing to do with "business" or whatever simplistic understanding you have of life. There are people who do things because they love doing it.

I have observed that while earlier, I would make contribution on public platforms, slowly I have seen changes in my own personality that I am disinclined to say anything publicly, and only say things on a private platform - or to people who have been referred to by people whom I know - and what I feel is a small minority that corners benefits of a good advice. 

Also, as for me, I am a hybrid. Werewolf+ Vampire, if you know what I mean ;-)

I have a degree in engineering as well as a Masters from TISS ( not distance). I should be better equipped to understand the demands of them both than someone who only has done one of these things.

And about degrees in the past part, they dont really matter. They merely ensure your floor level, which means that you wont go below that level.


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@Neyawn l have not attended any coaching institute for any course, let alone your courses. As I told earlier l am not a gullible uncritical moron. I hold a master's degree from the best central university of India. I have also done a semester of my Master's at Uppsala University, Sweden under international academic exchange program of GoI. I just get irritated when I see UPSC coaching ads on the front page of the Hindu every single day. Again I say CSE is not for gullible morons who listen to pseudo scholars at coaching institutions. If someone can't strategically prepare on their own, he/she can never get through CSE. *I judge the standards of coaching people by their prelims answer key, study material, test series questions, free motivational talks etc.


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@GaneshGaitonde GG sir humesha bas ek post se purra reality yaad dilwa dete hai. :D

After my Mains 2022 failure, I thought that I am really close to the cutoff but when the marks were out I saw that my opt score is very low. For CSE 2023, I thought I will read and solve so much that Maths mai "highest" marks lekke aaunga (Sabse badi problem over-ambitious logo ki).

Now that I have failed Mains 2023 again and found Maths Opt to be the culprit, I realised that knowledge doesn't matter that much rather it is the strategy that matters. And how to build it? Mocks and PYQs karo acche se.  

To outline what I have done for Maths - I have solved almost every recommended book for Maths but yet I did not solve and revise PYQs for four important topics. I thought may be this blunder wouldn't matter much BUT UPSC just made me realise that the whole exam is anarrow margingame. 

Every failure is a lesson and I am thankful that I got to know about it when I have two more attempts left. Kuch nahi toh I will have a lifelong lesson from this process. 

Moving forward, I have always lacked guidance in my prep but yes I will save enough money to join Forum MGP this time so that atleast GS ka part accha rahe. Maths ke liye toh idk mocks hi zyada karne honge. Idk marks increase honge ya nahi lekin ab attempt hai toh karke dekh lete hai. Obvio I can't overlook Pre 2024. Usse toh bohot darr hai mujhe xD

To everyone here,thank youfor being a guiding light. Even I don't know many of you personally, I made some really good connections on this platform. I wish that you people find your light some day. For me, I will give my 100% again. Wapas ladenge. Wapas purri jaan lagayenge. Backup toh dhundna hoga hi vo toh kar hi rahe. Ye sab pata nahi kaise hoga lekin I did it for Mains '23 after failing Mains '22 so I will gain the same rigour again. Wapas utni mehnat karenge. For this attempt, I would like to quote Faiz Ahmad Faiz on this aspect- 

"Gar baazi ishq ki baazi hai,

Toh jo bhi laga do darr kaisa,

Jeet gye to baat hi kya,

Haare bhi toh haar nahi…"

Need to gear up for my 5th attempt and plunge into the uncertainty of my 7th year in this prep. For those who exhausted their attempts or might be exhausted with the journey, I know I am not someone who can speak about how you guys are feeling but a small story from my side- 

I failed to get into IIT for UG even after working extremely hard in my drop year. That time was cruel. I was bedridden due to left leg fracture and nerve damage on my hips coupled with efusion on my right knee (This happened back during JEE Adv '16). I cried daily due to the pain of my fracture. I was so sure of my selection in IIT that I did not fill forms for other colleges. I thought everything was over and there's only darkness for me ahead. Most of my then classmates used to laugh at me behind my back. Many relatives mocked me. There were very few who actually understood how I felt. The only thing people saw was the fact that I couldn't get into IIT. They didn't care about what I had faced. I was declared not intelligent, incompetent, useless and what-not. 

But thattime passed as welland I did overcome everything. I eventually got into IIT for PG. I even had a chance to get into IIMs & other good colleges because of a decent score in CAT. All of this with no coaching. I just repeat my own story to myself several times just to motivate myself again.Itne aage aa gaye hai toh aur bhi aage chale jayenge. 

Biggest learning from all these failures is -Things will work out eventually. You just need to be patient. Never stop working hard. Ek din sab theek hojayega. 


"You can't connect the dots looking forward; you can only connect them looking backwards. So you have to trust that the dots will somehow connect in your future." - Steve Jobs


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@tedmosby thank you so much for sharing it certainly helps others in one way or another.


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Exactly one year before was happy for friends, now all are happy for me ( Life is a circle ). Now have to work a lot harder 

Thanks a lot to you @Neyawn sir for always being there  ( and the dialogue - गब्बर -जो डर गया समझो मर गया ) 

Congratulations mera bhai. One last lap!!<3 

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Exactly one year before was happy for friends, now all are happy for me ( Life is a circle ). Now have to work a lot harder 

Thanks a lot to you @Neyawn sir for always being there  ( and the dialogue - गब्बर -जो डर गया समझो मर गया ) 

Congratulations mera bhai. One last lap!!<3 

How are things there at LBSNAA? :-)


I am no knight. Do not call me Sir

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@Neyawn sir please check dm


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Neyawnsaid

Some of you may not agree to my views, it has nothing to do with "business" or whatever simplistic understanding you have of life. There are people who do things because they love doing it.

I have observed that while earlier, I would make contribution on public platforms, slowly I have seen changes in my own personality that I am disinclined to say anything publicly, and only say things on a private platform - or to people who have been referred to by people whom I know - and what I feel is a small minority that corners benefits of a good advice. 

Also, as for me, I am a hybrid. Werewolf+ Vampire, if you know what I mean ;-)

I have a degree in engineering as well as a Masters from TISS ( not distance). I should be better equipped to understand the demands of them both than someone who only has done one of these things.

If it's Addressed to me There is staw man fallacy here. I called the whole  coaching industry a business. Not,your free  advices on public platform or  open letters you write before exam or the free advices you give to student in private spaces. That was not a personal attack on someone like you .You have surely benifitted many people from your openly available perspective on this exam .I don't know you personally to say anything personal about your motives. But ,found many people in coaching industry to just not able to get out of the process, despite not being in the process. hence the dissonance point.


About coaching industry,it is a business by any parameter. If you own a coaching,so you are a businessman.Nothing to be defensive about it . If you have made a business out of what you love ,you are living a dream . Congratulations.

P. S . All of this is simple . Though Marx was more sophisticated.He  claimed ,economic structure is the basic structure. 


Sharing some coaching industry insider perspective .To point out " business " part of business. Though I have done only some entry level gig role . But these two instances will tell the nature of industry.


1 . I was in a meeting .A girl was checking less copy . She was doing her stuff seriously. Hence,taking time .A person from top management of a renowned coaching said to her ," Mam we are into commerce of education not education" . Many student rely on these evaluation and pay for it .


2 . I also did some pre sale and post sale telephonic call . Talked to people like who wanted a security guard job in coaching after classes . To pay back debts he will take for paying fees . Also a guy who have to leave coaching in between because of OCD ,and now want to join other classes after 3-4  years . All what I replied was with truth . I got a feedback,from one of the team lead . Feedback to be less straightforward and more diplomatic.


The intent may be good. But those full page newspaper adds are selling hopes , without telling reality of this exam . Hopes to people of Indian economy,where underemployment, youth employment and educated youth employment is high .

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@Neyawn sir please check dm


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I am no knight. Do not call me Sir

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@GaneshGaitonde GG sir humesha bas ek post se purra reality yaad dilwa dete hai. :D

After my Mains 2022 failure, I thought that I am really close to the cutoff but when the marks were out I saw that my opt score is very low. For CSE 2023, I thought I will read and solve so much that Maths mai "highest" marks lekke aaunga (Sabse badi problem over-ambitious logo ki).

Now that I have failed Mains 2023 again and found Maths Opt to be the culprit, I realised that knowledge doesn't matter that much rather it is the strategy that matters. And how to build it? Mocks and PYQs karo acche se.  

To outline what I have done for Maths - I have solved almost every recommended book for Maths but yet I did not solve and revise PYQs for four important topics. I thought may be this blunder wouldn't matter much BUT UPSC just made me realise that the whole exam is anarrow margingame. 

Every failure is a lesson and I am thankful that I got to know about it when I have two more attempts left. Kuch nahi toh I will have a lifelong lesson from this process. 

Moving forward, I have always lacked guidance in my prep but yes I will save enough money to join Forum MGP this time so that atleast GS ka part accha rahe. Maths ke liye toh idk mocks hi zyada karne honge. Idk marks increase honge ya nahi lekin ab attempt hai toh karke dekh lete hai. Obvio I can't overlook Pre 2024. Usse toh bohot darr hai mujhe xD

To everyone here,thank youfor being a guiding light. Even I don't know many of you personally, I made some really good connections on this platform. I wish that you people find your light some day. For me, I will give my 100% again. Wapas ladenge. Wapas purri jaan lagayenge. Backup toh dhundna hoga hi vo toh kar hi rahe. Ye sab pata nahi kaise hoga lekin I did it for Mains '23 after failing Mains '22 so I will gain the same rigour again. Wapas utni mehnat karenge. For this attempt, I would like to quote Faiz Ahmad Faiz on this aspect- 

"Gar baazi ishq ki baazi hai,

Toh jo bhi laga do darr kaisa,

Jeet gye to baat hi kya,

Haare bhi toh haar nahi…"

Need to gear up for my 5th attempt and plunge into the uncertainty of my 7th year in this prep. For those who exhausted their attempts or might be exhausted with the journey, I know I am not someone who can speak about how you guys are feeling but a small story from my side- 

I failed to get into IIT for UG even after working extremely hard in my drop year. That time was cruel. I was bedridden due to left leg fracture and nerve damage on my hips coupled with efusion on my right knee (This happened back during JEE Adv '16). I cried daily due to the pain of my fracture. I was so sure of my selection in IIT that I did not fill forms for other colleges. I thought everything was over and there's only darkness for me ahead. Most of my then classmates used to laugh at me behind my back. Many relatives mocked me. There were very few who actually understood how I felt. The only thing people saw was the fact that I couldn't get into IIT. They didn't care about what I had faced. I was declared not intelligent, incompetent, useless and what-not. 

But thattime passed as welland I did overcome everything. I eventually got into IIT for PG. I even had a chance to get into IIMs & other good colleges because of a decent score in CAT. All of this with no coaching. I just repeat my own story to myself several times just to motivate myself again.Itne aage aa gaye hai toh aur bhi aage chale jayenge. 

Biggest learning from all these failures is -Things will work out eventually. You just need to be patient. Never stop working hard. Ek din sab theek hojayega. 


"You can't connect the dots looking forward; you can only connect them looking backwards. So you have to trust that the dots will somehow connect in your future." - Steve Jobs

@tedmosby Have you spoken to people with maths who have made it? How have your successive scores been? Just don't keep writing the exam. Take a step back. Sometimes we step back, not because we are afraid, but do that we can see a bigger picture.


I am no knight. Do not call me Sir

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The one way to clear this exam is to quickly find out what works and what does not - or at least what is working and what is not currently, and quickly and correctly adopt them, and get out of the exam process. A good way is to ask people who are getting calls every year, what improvisations they are making. 

I am no knight. Do not call me Sir

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@Neyawn I don't know what is the issue.this was my 5th attempt and I am in need of some help


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