Maths ka most conservative estimate mereko ~263 ke score pe laake rakh raha hai ( @HouseTargaryen ka formula apply karke).
Let's see final result ke baad hi pata chalega .. kitna scaling hua..
(Most conservative estimate).
In science optional, the questions are not unpredictable but the scaling factor is.
@Street_lamp Agar scaling na hoti toh life mai chinta hi kya thhi science optional waalo ke liye? xD
10% log language paper fail karte hai,?? Kuch zyada number nahi ho gaya?
- Socio questions were doable if you have read Indian Society NCERT, did PYQs and followed current affairs 'broadly'.
- The main problem with Geo questions was that they were quite unexpected (easy questions like primary rock (types and characteristics) made me go blank but however time management helped me attempt that question) plus when I read some Geo questions in the first iteration, my mind went like- "What to write now?" (But again, I had not prepared for Geography that well so that feeling won't be the same for everyone. I had completely relied on revising diagrams and maps during prep. So in the end, I broadly addressed the keywords and drew a labelled map in those rubber plantation and wind energy questions (covered 1-1.5 page). For other questions like ocean currents and straits, I drew 2-3 maps and wrote about keywords with some examples).
- For the colour-coded IMD question, if you have seen maps in Disaster Manageme nt - the common colours are red, orange, yellow and green- whose meaning doesn't change much. You can just "broadly" write on that with a map showing cyclone prone areas (I made an educated guess here which turned out to be right, I was analysing PYQs (NDMA Reports were asked) so I thought of going one step ahead and ended up skimming through various maps in NDMA reports. I thought that different govt agencies won't colour code maps differently so I ended up mentioning these 4 colours).
- Deccan traps question is again from understanding of map of India. I was just reading about formation of Gondwana Coal, black soil etc from Wikipedia when I happened to come across this term (it appeared quite frequently). Plus the question was about resource "potential" so there was scope to write stuff.
- Troposphere question - I just loaded the whole answers with diagrams and addressed the keywords in few points.
@Capedcrusader1 I don't think so the optional guys had much advantage. The keywords in the questions were quite general which just needed 'better' analysis.
- Socio questions were doable if you have read Indian Society NCERT, did PYQs and followed current affairs 'broadly'.
- The main problem with Geo questions was that they were quite unexpected (easy questions like primary rock (types and characteristics) made me go blank but however time management helped me attempt that question) plus when I read some Geo questions in the first iteration, my mind went like- "What to write now?" (But again, I had not prepared for Geography that well so that feeling won't be the same for everyone. I had completely relied on revising diagrams and maps during prep. So in the end, I broadly addressed the keywords and drew a labelled map in those rubber plantation and wind energy questions (covered 1-1.5 page). For other questions like ocean currents and straits, I drew 2-3 maps and wrote about keywords with some examples).
- For the colour-coded IMD question, if you have seen maps in Disaster Manageme nt - the common colours are red, orange, yellow and green- whose meaning doesn't change much. You can just "broadly" write on that with a map showing cyclone prone areas (I made an educated guess here which turned out to be right, I was analysing PYQs (NDMA Reports were asked) so I thought of going one step ahead and ended up skimming through various maps in NDMA reports. I thought that different govt agencies won't colour code maps differently so I ended up mentioning these 4 colours).
- Deccan traps question is again from understanding of map of India. I was just reading about formation of Gondwana Coal, black soil etc from Wikipedia when I happened to come across this term (it appeared quite frequently). Plus the question was about resource "potential" so there was scope to write stuff.
- Troposphere question - I just loaded the whole answers with diagrams and addressed the keywords in few points.
Therefore, I think the paper would have created a huge advantage for the Geo/socio optional people if some "specific keywords" would have been there which are not known by a normal non-Geo/socio optional person. In this paper, I believe everyone has atleast read enough things to address them with relevant "examples" and "keywords".Note: I am not saying the paper was easy but I think the paper was more about common sense. Even if the socio/Geo optional people had an advantage, it wouldn't more than few marks.going ahead 1 step NDMA and looking at map how did you decipher that ? Seems like you are topper in making with such foresightedness.
I started answer writing (from Insights) and analysing UPSC questions way back in 2017 when I was in my 2nd year of UG. When you read and write things n number of times, you develop a small intuition about various things. So I had a small intuition that the colour-coded maps used in these NDMA Reports "may have been" similar to those of IMD. I ended up "deciphering" the meaning similar to what I had read in the report (I had read 5-6 lines out of curiosity). It would have gone either way and "fortunately enough" it went right.
Also, about the "foresightedness" thing. Seriously, analyse PYQs of GS 1 & 3. I was preparing content for Disaster Management keeping PYQs in mind when I "thought" of skimming through these reports.
@Capedcrusader1 There's no denying the fact that the paper was tough. I am just saying that finding "content" for writing answer in GS-I needed common sense.Tough questions mai thoda content bhi bohot hai. Thoda relevant content bhi hai and uske 2-3 marks bhi agar mil gaye toh bhi it is better than scoring 0. Exact 10/15 marks score karne waala content toh I don't think koi likh bhi paayega real exam mai. It is better to ensure above average content and addressing the keywords rather than chasing the myth of a "perfect" answer. Plus I don't think that kind of perfection could be achieved.From Forum Mock test feedback, I understood the importance of drawing maps. After analysing PYQs, maps and diagrams ka kaafi scope tha geography mai .. shale gas reserves, sugarcane etc jesi cheeze bohot puchi thhi. Toh exams se pehle maps and diagrams hi sirf karke gaya. I thought that sab kuch nahi toh kuch toh pata ho. "Atleast" map/diagram toh draw karke aau.Plus this feeling of 'lack of content' will always be there, kitna bhi kyu na padd lo.GS-2 & 3 were quite good. Kaafi loaded keywords thhe. Scope to write relevant content was high.Absolutely disagree with many points because my experience is suggesting otherwise. Definitely disagreeing on forcible map drawing aspect. But anyway, my only point is that I could have prepared in a much better way to answer some questions as gs1 is not at all analytical anymore(don’t know when it was last time).
Either one knows an answer and scores good or applies this highly subjective phrase ‘common sense’ and averages out.
That's a very objective approach (knowing/not knowing). I don't disagree with you completely about this approach because in questionslikethat "Cyberdome Project" asked in 2019 GS 3 Mains you needed to know about it so as to write relevant content "for the 1st part". But then you could have written some generic points (from common sense) for the 2nd part of the Cyberdome Project question which would have fetched you 1-2 marks atleast. It is still better than leaving the question completely.
Clearly, my objective here is to score marks "wherever" possible whereas you are saying that you won't write content (drawing maps forcibly) unless it sounds "completely" relevant to you.
I don't think knowing everything (hence, content) is possible because UPSC would always ask such questions (then the question becomes how much should we study?). So in my view, it is better to write whatever you know and try to link it with the keywords in the question.
You might still disagree with me but at the end of the day, even scoring 1 or 2 extra marks in a single question would decide whether you are in the list or out of the list. Be it any paper and of any difficulty level.
the slight risk with trying to get 1-2 marks is that examiner might think he/she is bluffing and would reduce marks in other questions as well.... said Ira Singhal
I did not say 'bluff', I am just talking about an educated guess. Drawing a map depicting areas of cotton cultivation and things like that do not count as a bluff. You are 'atleast' partially addressing the question. Also, there's a possibility that you would "mistakenly" quote a wrong fact. Deducting marks from that particular answer seems logical. But deducting marks from a different answer for committing a mistake in another answer seems illogical.
case studies 1st...wrote very nicely (imo)...but fused subparts like option and merits and demerits below the options only...wrote 3 options in every cs....lot of time consumed...so left 3.5 10 markers...so i am pretty much out of the race people say..so ready for next attempt
Even I followed the same thing and then faced a huge time crunch later.
So what was the difficulty level of GS-4 according to you?
- case studies will be solved firstly because 10 markers are too complicated and decoding 10 markers will definetly take more than 7 minutes.
-1hour 40 minutes for case studies. i overhauled my writing and presentation part this year wrt last year.
-options available are 4 in my case. ias360 pdf that i saw also has minimum 3 options available. PS: while exploring more options one ma find qualitatively eroded content because of time issue.
-IBC format in all cs and 10 markers
now coming to 10 markers: 1hour 20 minutes.
to be brutally honest, it was such a rush that i have never faced in any mocks. not because im slow in writing but because the shock value of 10 markers was at its peak. decoding the demand of the 10 markers was not easy atleast in first go. in mocks, i usually crack the demand in one go, infact i begin to write while i am reading the question. this had a domino effect on the last 10 markers. since i dont remember an iota of what i have written, i cant say quality is heavily compromised but i dont think by leaving questions,you would gain an upper hand in quality. thats simply not how gs4 is designed(my opinion). these are all my experiences. last year i couldnt complete whole paper as well.
Exactly. 10 markers were shocking indeed. I remember as soon as the paper got over, everyone was asking whether they "completed" the paper or not (The paper felt too lengthy). That 1st case study was quite complex too. It was a big challenge to maintain quality "and" quantity in GS-4. Honestly, I compromised quality in last 3 10 marker questions.
@Capedcrusader1 I don't think so the optional guys had much advantage. The keywords in the questions were quite general which just needed 'better' analysis.
- Socio questions were doable if you have read Indian Society NCERT, did PYQs and followed current affairs 'broadly'.
- The main problem with Geo questions was that they were quite unexpected (easy questions like primary rock (types and characteristics) made me go blank but however time management helped me attempt that question) plus when I read some Geo questions in the first iteration, my mind went like- "What to write now?" (But again, I had not prepared for Geography that well so that feeling won't be the same for everyone. I had completely relied on revising diagrams and maps during prep. So in the end, I broadly addressed the keywords and drew a labelled map in those rubber plantation and wind energy questions (covered 1-1.5 page). For other questions like ocean currents and straits, I drew 2-3 maps and wrote about keywords with some examples).
- For the colour-coded IMD question, if you have seen maps in Disaster Manageme nt - the common colours are red, orange, yellow and green- whose meaning doesn't change much. You can just "broadly" write on that with a map showing cyclone prone areas (I made an educated guess here which turned out to be right, I was analysing PYQs (NDMA Reports were asked) so I thought of going one step ahead and ended up skimming through various maps in NDMA reports. I thought that different govt agencies won't colour code maps differently so I ended up mentioning these 4 colours).
- Deccan traps question is again from understanding of map of India. I was just reading about formation of Gondwana Coal, black soil etc from Wikipedia when I happened to come across this term (it appeared quite frequently). Plus the question was about resource "potential" so there was scope to write stuff.
- Troposphere question - I just loaded the whole answers with diagrams and addressed the keywords in few points.
Therefore, I think the paper would have created a huge advantage for the Geo/socio optional people if some "specific keywords" would have been there which are not known by a normal non-Geo/socio optional person. In this paper, I believe everyone has atleast read enough things to address them with relevant "examples" and "keywords".Note: I am not saying the paper was easy but I think the paper was more about common sense. Even if the socio/Geo optional people had an advantage, it wouldn't more than few marks.going ahead 1 step NDMA and looking at map how did you decipher that ? Seems like you are topper in making with such foresightedness.
I started answer writing (from Insights) and analysing UPSC questions way back in 2017 when I was in my 2nd year of UG. When you read and write things n number of times, you develop a small intuition about various things. So I had a small intuition that the colour-coded maps used in these NDMA Reports "may have been" similar to those of IMD. I ended up "deciphering" the meaning similar to what I had read in the report (I had read 5-6 lines out of curiosity). It would have gone either way and "fortunately enough" it went right.
Also, about the "foresightedness" thing. Seriously, analyse PYQs of GS 1 & 3. I was preparing content for Disaster Management keeping PYQs in mind when I "thought" of skimming through these reports.
Okay bhai
Aap toh topper ho hi fir. Color coded map bhi yaad hai that too of cyclone so isse jyada toh kisi topper ko kya hi pta hoga. 2017 se answer writing kar hi rhe ho aap aur content bhi excellent hai aur aapne guess work bhi on point jaa rha that too in mains.
PYQ for mains dont hold much significance . Syllabus is more relevant imo. Pyq are from syllabus only. :) If you have themes covered from ncert and books etc it is sufficient. Color coding ncert me hi hai . 2017 se intutuon ki itno zarurat nhi
I believe Mains ke PYQs kaafi zyada hi important hai. Kuch general points toh mil hi jaate hai likhne ke liye. Itna idea lag jaata hai ki kya area repeat ho raha hai/kya area zyada important hai. Uss hisaab se notes thode focused mil jaate hai.
For that colour coded map, Bhai content content hota hai.. chahe vo kahi se bhi aaye. Mai kitni baar out of curiosity, kaafi cheeze read kar leta hu. Kabhi kabhi vo random knowledge fit baith jaati hai kahi pe.
I remember Delhi mai hotel ki taraf jaara tha exam centre se toh Modiji ka flex banner laga tha jagah jagah and likha tha "Launch of National Logistics Policy (Sept 17)". Thoda Google kiya usske baaremai (2-3 lines) and 'ussko bhi' link karke aa gaya Gati Shakti waale question mai (not the whole content but things like how logistics can play an important role in multimodal connectivity .. thoda jo 2-3 lines padda vo bhi).
Although mera approach wagera haphazard lagra hoga but ab vo back of the mind tha toh daal diya vo bhi.
Anyways, the point is- Topper wagera waali baat nahi hai.. usska toh kuch nahi pata mujhe. Mai bas jo approach hai vohi batara hu. Hoga nahi hoga vo baad mai dekhenge.
Approach ko criticize/support karna hai toh Karo. Nahi bhi hua iss baar toh next attempt ke liye kaha improve karna hai vo toh pata lag hi jaayega atleast.
@Darvey78 real marks are many a times way different than our expectations... u will see plenty of people saying after the exam smiling that they managed to finish the paper...made diagrams...structure...presentation etc etc.. But when they see their results obviously most of them could not even clear mains...happened with me too... even quora is full of these experiences...i suggest you to read some answers on people's upsc mains experience on quora, they have testified it... i feel those who work hard are more likely to clear, but their is a lot of subjectivity in the checking process... u can never be sure about anything.. coz even the other way round is true.. many times people who were hopeless and ready to give next attempt made it to top ranks.
- Some toppers claim that they got a good rank after bluffing some facts/reports (Siddarth Jain).
- Some toppers claim that bluffing in answers is harmful (Ira Singhal).
- If your handwriting is illegible but content is good then still you will get low marks.
- Also, sometimes we can mistakenly quote a wrong fact/statement (afterall we all are humans). Ex: I remember analysing Shruti Sharma's mock test copy in which she wrote that Nehru Report was formulated in response to "Montague's Challenge" but actually, it was the "Birkenhead Challenge" (1927). Unka toh history optional tha and still she committed this small mistake. Apart from that structure wagera and all other points were good.
- Bad performance in optional bhi ek factor ho sakta hai even after good performance in GS for not clearing Mains.
@tedmosby Maths and MH?
Yes.
Notice_CSM-2022_Eng_24112022.pdfYeh notice dekh ke hi anxious feel hona chalu hogya mujhe xD
Kaptaan said Saturday the results might be announced.
Bahut anxiety ho rahi hai. Kya kia jaaye?
Kya hi kar sakte...
Result toh in any case sudden hi hoga... sniper bullet ki tarah..
Bas roll number dikh gaya toh congratulations varna better luck next time.
Bas ab Movie/TV Series dekho.. chill maaro "kuch" din (thoda padna bhi hai, jitna ho sakke)..
Jitna pressure lena hai result aane ke baad le lenge kyunki tab tak sab kuch definite ho jayega.
what is your deep down feeling people ? will u b clearing this stage ? i mean we all know how we did
Deep down I think I will clear but I am quite uncertain with how Maths opt will perform (scaling and step marking stuff).
I remember that I was very happy after giving the Maths Opt papers and GS-IV paper. I think mera GS-III utna accha nahi gaya.
Sab sahi raha tha toh wapas Delhi jaane ka mauka mile.
Kaptaan's info :
1. Re-scaling of optionals happening for the 3rd time. Change in evaluation board hence the chaos and change in information everyday. Some optionals like Geo will be scaled tomorrow.
2. Re-scaling not good for Maths, PSIR, Medical Science and Anthro people
3. Date of results not yet confirmed.
P.S. Just posting what was posted on the TG group.
Insiders ki baat sunn ke aur anxious lagta hai. Maine toh telegram hi uninstall kar diya. xD
psir walo se itni nafrat h to ek kam karo ham logo ke essay aur gs papers me bhi scaling kardo aur qualifying languages ke minimum qualifying marks 300 (100%) kardo 🙏🙏🙏
Bhai kyu hi dhyaan derre ho insiders ki chhoti chhoti baaton pe.
Mains Result mai toh bas ye pata chalega ki hum in/out hai ya nahi..
Marksheet toh final result declare hone ke baad niklegi..
Tabhi pata chalega ki insiders ki baat sahi thhi ya galat. Ussi ke baad analyze kar payenge dhang se.
Lekin tab tak toh hum agle attempt ki taiyaari mai honge ya result ki khushi manna rahe honge.. I don't think kisiko insiders ki chhoti chhoti baat yaad rahegi bhi..
And aissa bhi nahi hai ki aap ye insiders ki baat sunn ke kuch valuable input le paaoge apne prep ke liye because I don't think insiders ke source ne naam se copy dekhi hogi aur exact kya galat hai vo bata bhi payega.
Vo toh hum ko tab pata chalega jab humme individual marksheet milegi.
Abhi toh bas jo self-analysis ke basis pe lagra hai vaha improvement chalu kar do bas. Mock Interview dekh lo aur DAF analysis dekh lo.
Out. Maths Optional.
I need to see where I went wrong. Maybe some mistakes in my approach which were pointed by members here.
But I honestly think it was my approach in Maths which sunk my ship. I will surely come back strong next year.
Congratulations to everyone who got in and those who did not, all the best for next year.
@tedmosby bhai same kahani exact. TG id dena please, Maths 350 correct tha and gs bhi kafi thik tha. Can discuss few things if you feel free.
@Have_You_Met_Ted Ye le bro.
Out. Mathematics Optional. Third Attempt, First Mains.Haven’t felt so low in a long long time. I would always tell myself that prelims was the main hurdle for me but such is the nature of this exam that it humbles you at each step on the way. I know I want to try again, just hope that I have enough fuel left to slog for one more year.Congratulations to everyone who cleared. It has been great to see fellow travellers finally getting what they’ve been working towards since years. I hope you all live up to your potential and get out of the UPSC chakravyuh. All the best!
Same story man (3rd attempt, 1st Mains). Ping me on Telegram, we can discuss the way forward.
ID- @Have_You_Met_Ted
I am ready too.
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